An Extremist’s View of an America Lost

The mainstream media and many bloggers are focusing on the Trayvon Martin killing as race-based.  Is something else really going on here, making race merely a bi-product of this shooting?

UPDATED 8:12am C 3/23/1


Judge Roy Bean and George Zimmerman.  Judge, jury and executioners?

 

 

 

 

In most of my writings that were aimed at ultra-conservatives, the Tea Party, right-wing extremists and their media talking heads, I have usually hit on a central theme of theirs that conjures up an America that existed in another time period.  Their call to reclaim America from their perceived enemies is not uncommon from some on the political left.  The difference as I see it though seems to be one in where the more conservative factions want to relive an era where minorities were mostly disenfranchised and along with women, had little political power.

Following the recent killing of Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Florida, I can now add vigilantism to this state of mind.  Hispanic-American George Zimmerman, who falsely claimed to be an authorized neighborhood watch captain, most likely killed Taryvon Martin with the belief or knowledge that a new law would protect his right to do so.  Furthermore, according to a report by Brendan Fischer at the Center for Media and Democracy, the shooter has legal immunity from prosecution.

The law, also pushed by its supporters under the name the “Castle Doctrine,” changes state criminal justice and civil law codes by giving legal immunity to a person who uses “deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.” It also bars the deceased’s family from bringing a civil suit.   SOURCE

Upon close scrutiny, the actions of shooter George Zimmerman and the poor response from Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee, the bygone law of the West seems to be in force.  Judd Legum on the ThinkProgress blog has broken down the details of this event via recorded news accounts.    Here’s a thumbnail sketch of Legum’s report

  • Zimmerman called police to report “suspicious” behavior from what he presumed at the time was a black person.  He also presumed Taylor was “up to no good, on drugs or something” and then told the police dispatcher that  “These a**holes always get away”
  • Zimmerman pursued Taylor after he was told by the police dispatcher not to.
  • That Taylor posed a threat to Zimmerman is dubious since, besides pursuing Taylor which initiated the confrontation, he was 110 lbs. heavier than Taylor and was armed with a 9 millimeter handgun while Martin was found carrying only a bag of Skittles and a can of iced tea
  • Martin had no criminal record while police records show that Zimmerman “was charged in July 2005 with resisting arrest with violence and battery on an officer”.
  • The police failed to test Zimmerman for drugs or alcohol use.
  • They failed to properly question Zimmerman.  A source inside the police department told ABC News that a narcotics detective and not a homicide detective first approached Zimmerman. The detective peppered Zimmerman with questions, the source said, rather than allow Zimmerman to tell his story. Questions can lead a witness, the source said.  SOURCE
  • Police accepted Zimmerman’s version of who yelled out for help rather than those of some witnesses who felt certain it was the voice of a child and it appears they amended the initial police report that had no account of a bloody nose or wet shirt on Zimmerman

There are a couple of other issues here that incriminate him.   First, his father told sources that his son has a spotless record before the assault incident in 2005 was revealed.  Second, Zimmerman’s behavior in his self-appointed role as a watch captain and how he carried this out seemed zealous to many of those in his community.  It didn’t help either that there was a prevailing attitude toward what one resident of the Retreat at Twin Lakes community referred to as “low-lifes and gangsters”.  Such was the assessment of one of Zimmerman’s acquaintance, Frank Taaffe, a former neighborhood block captain.

What makes this less of a racial issue however and more of an historical mind-set issue is the fact that Zimmerman is of hispanic heritage and a few of his neighbors, including two black residents, reported that they liked and trusted him.

We currently don’t have any documentation to attest to Zimmerman and Taaffe’s political persuasion to see if they were stringent pro-gun, anti-Obama advocates; especially those who are prone to rally around the “take our country back” call .  But what we do seem to have is that their state of mind reflects those people who are unable to grasp the social changes our nation has been undergoing for the last half century and  whose fear of people unlike themselves often draws negative preconceived notions

Legitimate concern for one’s safety, especially in a neighborhood where crime is prevalent would understandably affect some to the point of purchasing a weapon to protect themselves and give them a sense of security.  The neighborhood that Zimmerman lived in and Taylor was visiting that week back in February this year seemed to be such a place.

“police records, …  show that 50 suspicious-person reports were called in to police in the past year at Twin Lakes. There were eight burglaries, nine thefts and one other shooting in the year prior to Trayvon’s death.

In all, police had been called to the 260-unit complex 402 times from Jan. 1, 2011 to Feb. 26, 2012.”    SOURCE

Forty-six of those calls, over 10%, were made by one man – George Zimmerman.

When fear grips the mind beyond a point that justifies it, people can over react to perceived threats.  Time and the fact that the local police are not always able or even willing to see things as seriously can lead a person to think they have to take action into their own hands.  A reaction that was the norm on the frontiers of early American civilization.

The one restraint that has perhaps prevented many of these people to go over board in acting on their fears are the laws that forbid people to act in vigilante style.  Remove that public restraint and people like George Zimmerman will begin to feel empowered to chase a suspicious asshole down and draw his 9mm handgun to kill him if he gets too close; an encounter that resulted in all likelihood because one zealous individual didn’t know where to draw the line in protecting his neighborhood.

The political right’s pervasive fear that the America they claim they once knew is disappearing under the leadership of a black president with distant ties to the Muslim faith has overwhelmed so many to a point that has allowed the state of Florida and 21 other states to revert back to the Wild West, issuing “stand your ground” laws, that were essentially written by the NRA, and allow citizens to shoot anyone, even away from their own home, who, under the new law “reasonably fears [anyone who poses an] imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to [themselves] or another.”

I don’t think it has dawned on some people that as they vote for those politicians that keep making deep budget cuts while avoiding raising taxes to provide basic services like police and fire protection, they are opening that dangerous territory where the heavily armed yet undetected mentally unstable individual down the road can shoot you in cold blood if your dog unintentionally poops in his flower bed.  Or it could be someone like George Zimmerman who has allowed the real or perceived racial tensions in his neighborhood push him over the brink and revert to actions we outlawed, for good reason, over a century ago.

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18 responses to “An Extremist’s View of an America Lost

  1. Excessive fear and a sense of misplaced power can never lead to any good. Unfortunately, the victims of these two thing is usually someone who just “got in the way”.

    • You’re right Donna. I have updated my comments above to show how the largest gun lobby in the world, the NRA, was involved in writing these “stand your ground” laws.

  2. Larry to help people understand a bit more….here is the language of the statute….

    A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

  3. I’m less persuaded by the number of calls made to police regarding this general location than I am from the fact that so many came from the person in question. I agree wholeheartedly that the Right has fostered a fear mentality that is accepted by those who follow them and leads to just this sort of over-reaction. A state representative defended the law last night, and got all into the crime rate and drug problem. Now statistics show that crime rates are down all over the country. And we know for past history regarding this town, that they are apparently somewhat desensitized to poor police work and individuals who over-react. It seems to me that the Right got it’s wish here. And until we stand up against the NRA and the Koch backed cookie-cutter legislation from ALEC, we will continue to see more of this.

    • Who fosters any more fear than the Left? This entire thread is one big jerkin’ circle of conservative bashing! The contempt you folks have for the Right borders on hate.

  4. The sheer bias with which you operate gushes out in record levels in this post, Larry. You defy common sense and link the death of a minority at the hands of another minority to conservatism without considering the possibility that Zimmerman was afflicted with some sort of pathology. Perhaps he had an unhealthy craving for attention and acceptance. Perhaps he was a law enforcement reject determined to make a difference on his own. Most would consider the scarcity of facts to be a barrier in making such sweeping claims.

    It seems the only time the Left can make a political point is when tragedy strikes. Tucson, Arizona and Toulouse, France come to mind. Yep. Even the Left in France jumps on the conservative-bashing train when tragedy strikes. They originally blamed Toulouse on rightwing fear of multiculturalism and diversity, only to find out later that the perpetrator was a Muslim extremist. It never ends. It’s et cetera, et cetera, et cetera – ad nauseam.

    Conservatives stick up for the Second Amendment and suddenly we’re a group of fearful, gun-crazed maniacs inciting violence. The Left doesn’t seem to realize that our right to keep and bear arms is the only guarantee we have that our other rights will be respected.

  5. I would also note that you have convicted Zimmerman without trial. You don’t know all the facts. For instance, did you know that when police arrived on scene they found Zimmerman on the ground with blood dripping from his forehead? For all we know, Trayvon may been a hothead teenage pissed off that he was being followed. He may have attacked Zimmerman. It’s possible. We don’t know anything yet because all the facts have not yet come to light.

    I can understand Al Shaprton jumping on the anti-Zimmerman train, since Al Shaprton uses every tragedy to ever befall the black community for his own personal gain, and I can understand President Obama involving himself in this mess. But I can’t understand why you would without knowing the full story.

    • What exactly have I convicted him of Terrance? Being a vigilante? Zimmerman doesn’t deny shooting the boy and based on what I have provided here from news reports, it isn’t clear that he was attacked unless as you point out yourself, Zimmerman’s pursuit of Taylor incited a confrontation with Taylor. Might Taylor not have had some reasons to be fearful of Zimmerman? Are you assuming he knew Zimmerman was some part of a neighborhood watch? Zimmerman was a bigger guy than Taylor and Zimmerman’s photo indicates he has a menacing look about him. Doesn’t it bother you even a little that the local police follow up investigation was thin and shoddy, at least as we have seen by news reports thus far?

      “For instance, did you know that when police arrived on scene they found Zimmerman on the ground with blood dripping from his forehead?”

      You wouldn’t have known this had you read the initial police report. Had you read my links you would have seen that the Miami Herald reported that “Initial police reports never mentioned that Zimmerman had a bloody nose or a wet shirt that showed evidence of a struggle.”

      ” But I can’t understand why you would without knowing the full story.”

      And what bandwagon have you jumped on Terrance? Based on what you know do you think Zimmerman has been totally forthright in his interpretation? You know, Taylor is not able to defend himself against Zimmerman’s story. Is it your opinion that Zimmerman is incapable of exaggerating what took place? If he’s not, then what do you think he was altering to make things look favorable for him, regardless of how insignificant it may seem? In fact, how much have you read concerning this story? You clearly haven’t read the material I have provided.

      Isn’t it possible that Zimmerman had some preconceived negative feelings about this kid based on his comments to the police dispatcher? Wouldn’t that set the tempo on how he perceived Taylor and how he was likely to act if he thought Taylor, who we know did approach him to find out why Zimmerman was following him, was geared to respond? You are aware there is evidence that somehow Taylor and Zimmerman were in close personal contact before any alleged physical contact occurred, with Taylor asking Zimmerman why he was following him, aren’t you?

  6. Larry,

    
Before I draw an opinion in this case, I would like to see the details uncovered by the special prosecutor. I’m not comfortable referring to Zimmerman as a vigilante or labeling his actions as necessary for self-preservation. The only conclusion I have drawn thus far is that Zimmerman was perhaps a bit overzealous about policing the neighborhood. But the fact that he was gung-ho does not speak to whether his actions in this instance were inappropriate.

    There is much yet to be uncovered in this case, Larry. I probably wouldn’t have commented but for your using this tragedy to attack conservatives.

    And what bandwagon have you jumped on Terrance? Based on what you know do you think Zimmerman has been totally forthright in his interpretation?

    Larry, I don’t know what happened; I wasn’t there. I need more information before I draw a conclusion.

    You know, Taylor is not able to defend himself against Zimmerman’s story. Is it your opinion that Zimmerman is incapable of exaggerating what took place?

    You’re the one drawing conclusions without all the facts, Larry. But this tragedy is useful to the Left because it has political undertones. It truly adds a little pizazz to the rightwing culture of fear and hate narrative…

    You openly accuse me of not having read the material provided, yet you’re entire argument is presuppositional. You cannot draw a reasonable conclusion based on the evidence available.

    Isn’t it possible that Zimmerman had some preconceived negative feelings about this kid based on his comments to the police dispatcher?

    Isn’t it possible that Martin had a problem with being followed so decided to attack Zimmerman, who then fired a bullet in self-defense? Yes. It’s entirely possible. Martin and Zimmerman exchanged some words before the altercation took place. Since we don’t really know what happened, we have to base our conclusion on the evidence available, and I’ve yet to see a shred of evidence that substantiates anything you’ve said. Everything you’re suggesting is possible, don’t get me wrong. But it hasn’t been proven.

    And what comments to the dispatcher? “These assholes always get away,” or are you suggesting that the unintelligible squawk toward the end of the call was a racial slur?

    • I have presented nothing here as a fact, merely a possibility. Why have you chosen to rejected it outright without weighing it more objectively than you apparently have?

      “There is much yet to be uncovered in this case, Larry. I probably wouldn’t have commented but for your using this tragedy to attack conservatives.”,/i>

      I suppose there is Terrance but as it stands now some facts have been coming out from an event that happened over a moth ago and there appears to be a miscarriage of justice here that needs more exposure so justice can indeed happen. This is not an incident that happened one day and was made public overnight. Because of the shoddy police work that appears to have happened in this case most of the media wrote it off for just another small time crime.

      If it bothers you that I “attack” conservatives Terrance does it do so because I make up things? If so tell me what I have made up. My blog is an opinion page that, as it states in my header, has a progressive slant. This doesn’t mean I don’t recognize that there aren’t liberals who are guilty of excesses or misleading information. If I get caught up in that and it turns out to be wrong I correct myself as I did with the Anthony Weiner situation.

      But have I really done anything different than you who has accused the left of malicious acts without presenting all sides of case and demonizing people you have no knowledge about? (as your article On Mandatory Ultrasounds was) Are you attempting to set a double standard here for me that your passionate displays for those things you see as wrong are guilty of?

      “You openly accuse me of not having read the material provided, yet you’re entire argument is presuppositional. You cannot draw a reasonable conclusion based on the evidence available.”

      The first part of your response here Terrance is not connected. My argument may be “presuppositional” but that doesn’t detract that I have read pretty extensively on it and you haven’t. If indeed I have and you haven’t how could you reasonably charge me with being unable to “draw a reasonable conclusion based on the evidence available”. My conclusions ARE based on the evidence available. When that evidence changes my conclusions will reasonably change.

      This Zimmerman-Taylor incident is bigger than the claim by one man that he was defending himself. It brings in to play what the new laws that allow people like Zimmerman to go beyond protecting themselves while they are in their homes or on their personal property. It allows people of all types, mentally stable and some not so mentally stable to be more aggressive towards people they don’t know but suspect of doing something wrong who may or may not fit a stereotype of theirs. In Zimmerman case the stereotype is clear. Before he knew clearly who Taylor was his impulses were acting on his belief that he was one of those “assholes who always get away IT”

      This take on things isn’t a presupposition Terrance as much as it is a likely scenario. I’m not saying this this exactly what happened between Zimmerman and Taylor but I can draw a conclusion, based on Zimmerman’s own comments and the actions of his reported by neighbors and a poor investigation by the police that it is a strong probability that Taylor is dead for no wrong doing simply because of who Zimmerman was and how he acted on his feeling rather than solid fact.

      “But this tragedy is useful to the Left because it has political undertones. It truly adds a little pizazz to the rightwing culture of fear and hate narrative…”

      If you want to stoke it as that, so be it. There is indeed a culture of fear and hate within the right that is feeding off of a maligned view of the political shifts under our first black President. It actually began before the man even took the oath of office. A white middle aged lady I worked with at the polls in 2008 made the comment before we left and had discovered that Obama won the election flat out told me that Obama was a godless man and that we were going to hell in hand basket. Until that moment I had no idea that this lady was capable of uttering such extreme things. For some reason she seemed to think our condition had been so much better under the God-fearing George Bush.

      But since then I have seen the fear and hate of this woman expressed in other ultra-conservatives and those on the extreme fringe. If your being honest here, which I’m not sure you are, you would concede there is indeed a culture of hate and fear within conservatism that is aimed at people of Islamic faith, poor people, women fighting for better health care, young adults who organize to expose the flaws and failures of Wall Street and the elderly who lived on fixed incomes. There has been hate and fear by corporate interests to fight most all attempts to convert to cleaner, renewable energy, manage financial matters that protect consumers and support a system of free markets that determines who does and doesn’t get needed medical help based on their income, leaving many to die simply because they live in an economy that falsely believes anyone who wants to work can.

      “Isn’t it possible that Martin had a problem with being followed so decided to attack Zimmerman, who then fired a bullet in self-defense? “

      Of course it is and it is because of this that perhaps very little has been said openly about it for the last month. But now there is increasing evidence that, besides Zimmerman’s unwarranted and unauthorized pursuit of Taylor, he might have had strong biases to cause him to over react as well as evidence that the local police didn’t not do a thorough enough investigation to exonerate Zimmerman. My post was written in the vane to bring these newer details to life. But rather than choosing to just present them nakedly I have wrapped it in a scenario that is not totally unfounded and could have some bearing on why people like Zimmerman are prone to take the law in their own hands, rightly or wrongly.

      I think most of my readers are intelligent enough to know that what I am saying is not “proof positive” as you seem to think I am guilty of but instead allow a perspective of a man and a prevailing attitude within conservatism that may fit some of what has transpired here. It is to be read with a grain of salt with the intent of making others aware that there is more going on than what we were lead to believe a month ago about Taylor’s death and Zimmerman’s side of the story.

      “I’ve yet to see a shred of evidence that substantiates anything you’ve said. Everything you’re suggesting is possible, don’t get me wrong. But it hasn’t been proven.”

      Really? Anything? You don’t think it’s possible that Zimmerman’s dogged determination to track Taylor after expressing some preconceived notions about his character could have led him to over react? You think the police department did everything to clear Zimmerman of over reacting? You’ve always seem adamant about those you think are liars regarding a woman’s right to an abortion yet here you have some doubts about Zimmerman?

      I am not presenting my story as “proof positive” Terrance. You have made that warrantless charge against me here and I think you have done so without looking at this case clearly and objectively. Why draw no opinion on this so easily when you are guilty of doing it with a woman’s right to control her own body, something that as a man you have no experience with?

      • Your post reads like an absolute condemnation of conservatives, Larry. You make a lot of suggestions about us but don’t support any of it. For example, you suggest a rightwing culture of fear and hate but offer nothing to support the broader innuendo. You write the post from the position, without proof, that Zimmerman unjustly shot Martin and that, without proof, conservatives are prone to a hateful mentality. In order to make this connection, you must also suggest, without proof, that Zimmerman has rightwing political predilections.

        You are entitled to your opinion, but I am entitled to ask that you support it. You cannot support your belief that Zimmerman unjustly shot Martin, because as I’ve tried to explain, it’s all presupposition. You are presuming in the absence of proof to the contrary – or so you think. In reality, if you were to draw a conclusion based solely on the available evidence, you would have to say Zimmerman acted in self-defense because there isn’t a shred of evidence to the contrary.

        I don’t know who you think you’re fooling by mentioning my post on mandatory ultrasounds, but I supported every thing I wrote, and I would challenge you or anyone else to show differently. You are more than welcome on my blog anytime to discuss anything you wish.

        Larry’s Falsehoods

        My argument may be “presuppositional” but that doesn’t detract that I have read pretty extensively on it and you haven’t.

        You don’t get to accuse me of not having read the material simply because I come to a different conclusion than you.

        I’ve read the police report, listened to every 9-1-1 call, and read every article offered by ThinkProgress in my most recent post. Anyone who bothers to read it will realize this.

        My conclusions ARE based on the evidence available.

        No, they aren’t. For instance, you inaccurately claim that Zimmerman’s injuries did not exist in the initial police report. But had you read my most recent post, you will discover that they were, in fact, in Officer Timothy Smith’s initial report. So as we see very clearly, the “available evidence” you’re using is quite incorrect.

        There is indeed a culture of fear and hate within the right that is feeding off of a maligned view of the political shifts under our first black President. It actually began before the man even took the oath of office. A white middle aged lady I worked with at the polls in 2008 made the comment before we left and had discovered that Obama won the election flat out told me that Obama was a godless man and that we were going to hell in hand basket. Until that moment I had no idea that this lady was capable of uttering such extreme things. For some reason she seemed to think our condition had been so much better under the God-fearing George Bush.

        You have not supported this statement, Larry. Without evidence, it’s nothing more than a vicious, thoughtless attack on conservatives. A single crazy lady at a Texas’ polling station is not a good representative sample upon which to rest your argument. Pity you think it is.

        But since then I have seen the fear and hate of this woman expressed in other ultra-conservatives and those on the extreme fringe. If your being honest here, which I’m not sure you are, you would concede there is indeed a culture of hate and fear within conservatism that is aimed at people of Islamic faith, poor people, women fighting for better health care, young adults who organize to expose the flaws and failures of Wall Street and the elderly who lived on fixed incomes.

        So you accuse me of being dishonest because I don’t accept your worldview? After 9-1-1, it’s quite reasonable for people to be a little uneasy about the religion of Islam that, if you’re at all familiar with it, you know to be dangerous. It can be twisted and contorted much easier than Christianity, Judaism, and other religions. Have you ever read the Qu’ran? I have. This is justified fear.

        Poor people? Explain.

        Women fighting for better healthcare? Abortion? Or, do you mean asking government to force society to pay for birth-control via higher premiums?

        LOL. You’re basically suggesting that conservative opposition to Leftist ideas borders on fear and hate. Ridiculous. Would it be okay for me to say that Leftists express fear and hate when they oppose pro-life legislation, tax cuts, and increased military spending?

        Occupy Movement? You mean, like, the Leftwing fear and hate of/for Tea Party rallies?

        Republicans just passed a bill to ban IPAB, Larry. Obama has threatened to veto it. Democrats seem to fear and hate the high cost associated with an aging population, so propose rationing healthcare for the elderly. Geez. So hateful they are!

        There has been hate and fear by corporate interests to fight most all attempts to convert to cleaner, renewable energy, manage financial matters that protect consumers and support a system of free markets that determines who does and doesn’t get needed medical help based on their income, leaving many to die simply because they live in an economy that falsely believes anyone who wants to work can.

        You mean those technologies that haven’t been able to withstand the test of the free market?

        And there you go again. Anytime the Republicans oppose some Leftist idea, they’re being fearful and hateful. R-I-D-I-C-U-L-O-U-S.

        I think most of my readers are intelligent enough to know that what I am saying is not “proof positive” as you seem to think I am guilty of….

        You have used your opinion of the events that transpired in this case to unjustly attack conservatives. Like you, I think MOST of your readers are intelligent enough to realize that that was my primary objection to this post.

        However, I do think Zimmerman is being tried and convicted before all the facts have been uncovered.

        …a prevailing attitude within conservatism that may fit some of what has transpired here.

        
There you go again. No support. Just harmless opinion, right?

        It is to be read with a grain of salt…

        I do appreciate you finally admitting that this post isn’t to be taken seriously.

        Really? Anything? You don’t think it’s possible that Zimmerman’s dogged determination to track Taylor after expressing some preconceived notions about his character could have led him to over react? You think the police department did everything to clear Zimmerman of over reacting? You’ve always seem adamant about those you think are liars regarding a woman’s right to an abortion yet here you have some doubts about Zimmerman?

        Is this possible? Of course. I’ve said that. But is there any evidence that these possibilities actually occurred? NO!

        I am not presenting my story as “proof positive” Terrance. You have made that warrantless charge against me here and I think you have done so without looking at this case clearly and objectively.

        I actually never said you were presenting this post as “proof positive.” Perhaps you mean “positive proof” of Zimmerman’s guilt. But I haven’t said that either. I did say that you’ve made a lot of suggestions about conservatives that you failed to support, and have gone on some bizarre mission to paint Zimmerman, who you think is guilty, as the embodiment of everything that is wrong with American’s rightwing.

      • “Your post reads like an absolute condemnation of conservatives, Larry

        No it didn’t Terrance. In the first paragraph I specified “ultra-conservatives, the Tea Party, right-wing extremists and their media talking heads”. This leaves the moderate Republicans that used to represent the GOP of another era. Unfortunately their numbers are declining and the fringe elements I mentioned above are taking over.

        The rest of your response is equally unsupported Terrance and thinly premised. You’ve gone back to your rigid Tea party days that cherry picks and splits hairs to suggest I have made some false statement.

        I think our relationship has taken a turn for the worse. Too bad

        I really don’t have time to try and explain my views with someone who hears only what they want to hear and is so sure that I am saying things that I’m really not. Yes, yes. I know. You will accuse me of doing the same thing. Thus it seems we can never really have a thoughtful conversation anymore without being accused of some level of bias.

        have a nice life.

      • Actually I did have the information about Taylor allegedly attacking him while Zimmerman was heading back to the truck. It was on the Judd Legum link I provided. It was #18 on his list. It really doesn’t change much for me.

        Nice of the FOX reporter you got this from to print this critical piece of information

        “Zimmerman says the shooting was self defense. According to information released on the Sanford city website, Zimmerman said he was going back to his SUV when he was attacked by the teen.”

        This raises two possibilities if this is a valid witness. One, Taylor could have been aware that Zimmerman was going back to truck for a weapon and was trying to stop him. Two, for Zimmerman to be able to get away from someone who was on top of him meant that Taylor got up off of him and either backed off or walked away, giving Zimmerman time to get up, finish his trek to his truck to get the gun and turn around and shoot Taylor who was no longer allegedly beating on him. What this witness doesn’t tell us, at least in this FOX report, was Taylor walking away, did he throw his hands up in surrender or was he going back after Taylor a second time to try and stop him from pulling a pistol to kill him.

        The fact that a witness has all of sudden appeared seems suspicious but his testimony doesn’t convey what was happening prior to what he saw. Did Taylor fear for his life and get the best of the big man who was threatening him?

        What do you think?

  7. It’s possible Zimmerman is nothing more than a ruthless racist that deserves to spend the rest of his life behind bars. It’s possible. But it’s also possible that his media trial will turn out much like it did for the Duke Lacrosse players. The Left was certain they raped that poor black girl, only to find out later that they were totally innocent, yet their reputations destroyed – by the Left who feels, I don’t know, beholden to the black community.

    Zimmerman and his family have received death threats, too. Yet you didn’t mention that.

  8. If someone breaks into your house, you have every right to defend yourself. If someone comes up and starts attacking you, sure, use deadly force. Thing is, none of these happened. Zimmerman pursued Trayvon. Trayvon wasn’t attacking him. He was just walking home. I don’t understand why the police thought Stand Your Ground applies here, considering the 911 tapes with Trayvon asking, “Why are you following me?”

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